Release date: June 18, 2025

In this special crossover episode, we’re sharing Episode 3 of cosmic cheer squad—our new podcast from the Positive Disintegration Network. Chris and Bee are joined by a very special guest: Emma Nicholson, co-host of Positive Disintegration, for an in-person, around-the-table conversation recorded in Madison, Wisconsin.

Together, they reflect on:

• How they became friends and collaborators through the theory of positive disintegration

• The idea of cosmic pockets as a way to hold intense feelings until it’s safe to process them

• Inner critics, intrusive thoughts, and how to rewrite old narratives

• Parenting yourself while raising others

• Emotional trampolines, anti-cults, and resisting illegitimate authority

• Why the Gravitron might be the perfect metaphor for development

Plus: Bee’s legendary toffee, Aussie accent jokes, trench coat metaphors, and the beginnings of a truly cozy counterculture.

💫 It’s part reunion, part origin story, and all heart. Come sit with us.

Links from this episode

Find Emma online:

• Tragic Gift (blog)

• Adults with Overexcitabilities (YouTube)

• Adults with Overexcitabilities (Facebook group)

• Positive Disintegration (Instagram)

We referenced:

• Cosmic Pocket

• Sneaky Stimming

Positive Disintegration:

• Episode 33: A Personal Journey of Self-Discovery, with David Sweeney

• Episode 37: Self-Directed Education with Marni Kammersell